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Offline Chaucer

Re: Why does it keep coming back to this?
« Reply #15 on: Nov 05, 2018, 04:34 PM »
Greens have their place for turtles, I wouldn’t remove them especially since the cap on resource boats has been removed.

Are Turtles good for the game?
All my accounts are at typical VP ranges, so I dont really encounter true Turtles much.

What I do see is probably better than half the players I encounter have green statues. And I cant see a single instance when they are doing any of those players a bit of good.

Offline fritzelly

Re: Why does it keep coming back to this?
« Reply #16 on: Nov 05, 2018, 06:20 PM »
Been seeing lots of max players with Life statues recently like WTF

Offline Orrscores

Re: Why does it keep coming back to this?
« Reply #17 on: Nov 05, 2018, 07:12 PM »
Just to fill raw crystals...wouldn't they be better off with a RR

Offline Yallik

Re: Why does it keep coming back to this?
« Reply #18 on: Nov 05, 2018, 09:25 PM »
RR = 💯

Offline Chaucer

Re: Why does it keep coming back to this?
« Reply #19 on: Nov 06, 2018, 04:22 PM »
For a maxed player, neither Life or RR statues should be necessary to fill Raw crystals.Crab lot will fill it up at the end of the month, so you can boost up which every tribes are needed first thing. Then you have a full two weeks to refill them again.
And if that weren't enough, we have the unlimited Resource Boat storage that can easily fill crystals too.

Offline Orrscores

Re: Why does it keep coming back to this?
« Reply #20 on: Nov 06, 2018, 04:52 PM »
For a maxed player, neither Life or RR statues should be necessary to fill Raw crystals.Crab lot will fill it up at the end of the month, so you can boost up which every tribes are needed first thing. Then you have a full two weeks to refill them again.
And if that weren't enough, we have the unlimited Resource Boat storage that can easily fill crystals too.


I know that Chauc...I'm just trying to make sense of it. I shared two attacks with the tf yesterday...both 65's had 4 glowing greens...Idk

Offline Chaucer

Re: Why does it keep coming back to this?
« Reply #21 on: Nov 06, 2018, 09:19 PM »
Yeah, I know.Sometimes there is just no explaining Stupid!
I guess if a player is not very active, Greens could help with passive income versus RR needing at least some attacking to get anything out of it. But then of course, if a player doesnt care about attacking at all, why would they need Raw Crystals?!And we're back to trying to explain Stupid!

Re: Why does it keep coming back to this?
« Reply #22 on: Nov 07, 2018, 02:09 PM »
In an ideal world, OP is correct.  The game objectives would be clear and how to play it would be obvious.

We are not in an ideal world.  The game could have linguistic, cultural and/or personal biases.  Players can have communication and cognitive issues that play a role in how they perceive and thus approach the game.  Players could also have personal pathologies that influence their game experience.  Bugs may push players to normalize different strategies too.

I personally think it would be horribly boring to have everybody play the game “the same”.  Not everybody is a good fit for the game.  I see the people who show up decrying the various walls they encounter as people who have not figured it out yet.  Not everyone is going to figure it out and that is OK IMO.  Others will figure it out and thrive.  Yet others will trudge along.  Anyone who sticks with the game is getting something they find appealing, whatever that may be.  With that said, this is a game not a religion or cult.  We do not need to capture and retain every lost soul who plays the game.  Attrition is a normal and healthy thing.
« Last Edit: Nov 07, 2018, 02:15 PM by CaptNasty »

Re: Why does it keep coming back to this?
« Reply #23 on: Nov 07, 2018, 02:27 PM »
As I said somewhere in this thread, I have no problem with different play styles, in fact I feel I am very supportive of different play styles. My beef is with the same game play questions and complaints coming up repeatedly since the games inception not being addressed by supercell.
It isn’t fair on the players, give them the knowledge, tell them what to expect up front so that the players can make their own decisions in how to or even if they play the game.
These questions are not one offs or hidden features they are core mechanics of the game and have been constantly ignored by supercell.
Nice discussion btw 🙂

Re: Why does it keep coming back to this?
« Reply #24 on: Nov 07, 2018, 03:29 PM »
That is what I was getting at.  I do not believe it is even possible to communicate in a way that everyone will understand or comprehend consistently.

I see situations all too often with both written and verbal communication where what is communicated to someone and what they *think* they hear (and thus act upon) are so different that it is shocking.  Barriers to communication (linguistic, cultural, etc), assumptions, personal biases (pathologies, agendas, etc), and various biases (cognitive, cultural, etc) are powerful constraints that make the perfect conveyance of ideas and information exceedingly difficult if not impossible.  While the desire to communicate with 100% clarity is a reasonable desire, but I do not believe that it is a realistic desire.

From a business perspective, hypothetically speaking if I can spend $1,000,000 to communicate effectively to 60% of my customer base and generate $10,000,000 in profit OR I can spend $4,000,000 to communicate effectively to 100% of my customer base and generate $13,000,000 in profit which is the better business decision?  In my opinion, the former is better as it makes the financial performance look stronger due to higher ROI ratios (900% ROI vs ~225% ROI).  There is a point of diminishing returns where businesses make a decision on what is “good enough”.
« Last Edit: Nov 07, 2018, 03:45 PM by CaptNasty »

Offline Chaucer

Re: Why does it keep coming back to this?
« Reply #25 on: Nov 07, 2018, 04:29 PM »
Sure, getting through to ever single player is impossible.That being said, it would be quite easy and cheap to say at some point "FYI, green statues mostly suck, so if you are over HQ5 its probably time to get rid of them. Have Fun!"

Re: Why does it keep coming back to this?
« Reply #26 on: Nov 07, 2018, 04:51 PM »
Yes I get your point CaptNasty regarding the financials.
However the tools to communicate with players are already in the game via the in game communications icon inc boombox and for you. They are woefully under utilised and even misleading with their irrelevant and out of date content. As someone already said in this thread the content is already out there but just not used.
I would be in favour of expanding the tutorial but that will cost however the in game communications icon is already there. It isn’t rocket science and would help players understand and stay in the game.


Edit also understand the translation issues but better a good something today than a perfect nothing tomorrow.
« Last Edit: Nov 07, 2018, 04:58 PM by Crows Nest »

Re: Why does it keep coming back to this?
« Reply #27 on: Nov 07, 2018, 04:52 PM »
Sure, getting through to ever single player is impossible.That being said, it would be quite easy and cheap to say at some point "FYI, green statues mostly suck, so if you are over HQ5 its probably time to get rid of them. Have Fun!"

I don’t know.  There seems to be a LOT of translations that they would have to do.  Look at the time and effort it takes for a Dev video due to translation alone.  That has to be expensive and time consuming.  Plus with the wrong translator you may get something like “All your base are belong to us”, or other translation issues that could impact the message being communicated.

As a mono lingual, single country application you are probably right.  Such a thing is easier and probably relatively cheap and quick.  At global scale though...
« Last Edit: Nov 07, 2018, 04:55 PM by CaptNasty »

Offline Chaucer

Re: Why does it keep coming back to this?
« Reply #28 on: Nov 07, 2018, 05:13 PM »
Translating a complete video is one thing.
Plugging a couple sentences into Google Translate is trivial. If a few marginal languages get a somewhat strange translation, those players put in a help request, and the text can be modified. Again, this should be trivially easy.

Re: Why does it keep coming back to this?
« Reply #29 on: Nov 10, 2018, 04:51 PM »
Yallik, I noticed you on discord regarding this.
Obviously I agree with what you said but someone did say that you should submit a video to Drew.
Sounds like a good idea. Maybe ask Drew what they want and submit it.
You are good with your videos, submit a tester demonstrating what you think is suitable to go in game and get some feedback.