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If you came across a player that you were 99.9% sure was cheating what would you do?

Report them to Supercell
17 (68%)
Nothing
6 (24%)
Other
2 (8%)

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Re: Cheating?
« Reply #120 on: Mar 14, 2019, 05:05 PM »
Good plan capt, what information would you need to validate or at least give it a good shot? If we all look for the same info in the same way then that would be productive.


Maybe a new thread we can post to?
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Offline CaptNasty

Re: Cheating?
« Reply #121 on: Mar 14, 2019, 05:17 PM »
I think we have this protocol that I laid out.  It is working for me.  But why?  Am I just getting lucky time and again?  Is there something different in my account?  Is my mental model of how spawn checks work accurate?

I think the question is: can others replicate the result?  This would require others to try.  If this can be replicated on  accounts other than my 2, then we could be onto something.

As for how to manage such an effort?  I don’t know.  I am not a planner/organizer type. 
« Last Edit: Mar 14, 2019, 05:20 PM by CaptNasty »

Offline Chaucer

Re: Cheating?
« Reply #122 on: Mar 14, 2019, 06:15 PM »
My apologizes Capt, I misread about only checking during your boost.

I'll try to explain my point about 18 minutes vs 35 minutes.
Say you check at time 0, spawn/no spawn, clear.
At 18 minutes, either spawn/no spawn.
Check at 35 (before the next chance has come up), clear if it is there.

Then see if the next spawn pops up or not.
This resets the condition to time 0. (PvP cleared, a full 18 minutes until next chance and 35 minutes until you would need to clear before chances are affected).

I too remember the thread from way back that addressed the radar spawn. My recollection is that Tim said they didn't want to have the displayed spawn %chance change, because they thought that would be too confusing to players.

I salute you for your data collection. Always neat to see inside the game mechanics. IMO, it would be really great if the developers themselves knew as much about it as the players.
« Last Edit: Mar 14, 2019, 06:18 PM by Chaucer »

Offline CaptNasty

Re: Cheating?
« Reply #123 on: Mar 14, 2019, 08:05 PM »
Chaucer,

Checking every 34 minutes would play out like this:
Spawn From t0Check from t0
00
1834
36-
5468
72-
90102
108-
126136
144-
162170
180204
So you end up only checking for a spawn every other spawn cycle.


If you check every 20 minutes you get the following:
Spawn From t0Check from t0
00
1820
3640
5460
7280
90100
108120
126140
144160
162180 (boost has ended)
180200 (boost has ended)
The last two checks are after boost has ended.

You can say that after a spawn check occurs, you have up to 13 minutes to check for a spawn. Because you need to clear that spawn and be offline before the scan occurs.

I too seem to recall that there was also concern over the potential for confusion.  As I recall, that specific concern was centered around having the Spawn Chance, PvP Spawn Chance, and NPC Spawn Chance all visible.  Essentially it would expose a non-intuitive technical implementation detail.  So I think there was some back and forth and several points were made.  Kind of like (paraphrased):

Forumers: “We think you should expose that info to us so we know what is going on”
Tim: “It wouldn’t make sense because what is displayed in game is not what is changing”
Forumers: “Then show the spawn chance too!”
Tim: “We are concerned that would be confusing...”
Forumers: “Wah!  But I want it NOW!”
Tim: <Crickets Chirping>

That is how I recall the gist of that discussion
« Last Edit: Mar 14, 2019, 08:35 PM by CaptNasty »

Offline Castle Grayskul

Re: Cheating?
« Reply #124 on: Mar 14, 2019, 09:19 PM »
Ill start using caps method..i have an account sitting at 1110 as we speak..my only concern is that you have a morning and evening boost, at my vp i dont have to boost to clear my PVPs, so will this change the method? I double dip the ops in my tf. And i dont have ice down.

Offline CaptNasty

Re: Cheating?
« Reply #125 on: Mar 14, 2019, 09:38 PM »
Not a problem, just time box yourself to 3 hours per session.  I have no reason to believe that boosts affects spawns.  But let’s see how this plays out.



« Last Edit: Mar 14, 2019, 09:42 PM by CaptNasty »

Offline CaptNasty

Re: Cheating?
« Reply #126 on: Mar 15, 2019, 03:00 AM »
VP with clear map last night 1,197.  VP tonight with clear map 1,207.  10 vp gain in 24 hours.

Offline Chaucer

Re: Cheating?
« Reply #127 on: Mar 15, 2019, 06:38 PM »
18minute method has you checking right after each spawn chance and clearing the base immediately.
35 minute method has you waiting almost until the second spawn chance, clear the first and immediately clear the second. So some of the spawns are on your map longer, but none are still present when the time is up, so do not negatively affect the %.


Assumptions:

Get a spwan at every opportunity.

Needing to check in less is desirable.

Spawns can all be cleared in under 1 minute. Of course if using Tmeds, that would require checking in sooner to have time to clear the base.

Here is the relevant thread from Tim

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« Last Edit: Mar 15, 2019, 07:24 PM by Chaucer »

Offline CaptNasty

Re: Cheating?
« Reply #128 on: Mar 16, 2019, 01:51 AM »
VP with clear map last night 1,207.  VP tonight with clear map 1,218.  11 vp gain in 24 hours.

Offline Castle Grayskul

Re: Cheating?
« Reply #129 on: Mar 16, 2019, 01:57 AM »
Cap, how many defends are you getting on average per 24 hours?

Offline CaptNasty

Re: Cheating?
« Reply #130 on: Mar 16, 2019, 02:26 AM »
Grey,

I am getting about 4-5 defends per day and 6-7 raids per day.

Offline Castle Grayskul

Re: Cheating?
« Reply #131 on: Mar 16, 2019, 03:51 AM »
+5 vp today using caps method..but im being raided 9 to 12 times a day..i figure ill top out at around 1250 top 1270
 4 to 5 defends a day is what will make the difference in our vp gain. Thats why i cant match the 10+ vp gain days
« Last Edit: Mar 16, 2019, 03:54 AM by Castle Grayskul »

Offline CaptNasty

Re: Cheating?
« Reply #132 on: Mar 17, 2019, 02:20 AM »
VP with clear map last night 1,218.  VP tonight with clear map 1,230.  12 vp gain in 24 hours.

6 raids, 18 PvP invasions.