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If you came across a player that you were 99.9% sure was cheating what would you do?

Report them to Supercell
19 (67.9%)
Nothing
7 (25%)
Other
2 (7.1%)

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Offline Artist formerly known as Crows Nest

Re: Cheating?
« Reply #45 on: Feb 11, 2019, 09:10 PM »
Yes it is but do we count the response I got as support 🤪 a company stifling bad feedback will wither, by highlighting all these problems in a forum that is no longer answerable to supercell then we are helping. Anyway they would never guess it was me, I think I disguised my forum name from my in game name quite well no? 🤪

But seriously tos just gives a company a legal out to do what they want, hopefully they use their discretion but if not then my partner is going to be much happier 🙂


Edit seems it isn’t but i think it was bannable on the forum for forum users when sc ran it. Of course if supercell wanted to ban me or anyone then they could. It isn’t just their ball, it is their pitch, stadium, city and boom beach world 🙂
« Last Edit: Feb 11, 2019, 09:35 PM by Artist formerly known as Crows Nest »
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Re: Cheating?
« Reply #46 on: Feb 11, 2019, 09:51 PM »
IIRC Bak had banned (sent to the corner) a few forumers in the old days for discussing support responses.
And I am just following in my black and white commentary earlier in the thread.
Honestly I believe I am guilty of discussing support responses in the past, damn!
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Offline Artist formerly known as Crows Nest

Re: Cheating?
« Reply #47 on: Feb 11, 2019, 09:54 PM »
Bad MinionsWeb 😱🙂
Get on this thread for your punishment 🤪
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Offline Chaucer

Re: Cheating?
« Reply #48 on: Feb 11, 2019, 09:59 PM »
If Supercell wanted to have a measure of control of the discussion surrounding their game, they should have an official forum.

It seems pretty clear that they dont care, so I dont see how any discussion here on a privately run forum should have any bearing. Their CMs couldn't be bothered to keep up with official channels, I highly doubt they are secretly monitoring private channels now!


Offline Artist formerly known as Crows Nest

Re: Cheating?
« Reply #49 on: Feb 11, 2019, 10:03 PM »
If I get banned then it will show supercell still loves us 💕 🙂
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Offline Chaucer

Re: Cheating?
« Reply #50 on: Feb 11, 2019, 10:07 PM »
Swap the word team for TF. I was just pointing out an example of how to get around the team collusion accusation. Chinese team must be the top keyword in the thread at this point.

 
Sure the pool is larger. However, if the 50 best aren’t attacking each other and share every attack and defense among themselves, it’d be pretty hard to penetrate. Attack just one and 50 alter their defense. Lose to one and 50 have the solution to your defense. Unlimited free practice attacks on each other. The advantage would be quite significant.

So when one member of the top 50 is through how would the new member be admitted? Sure wouldn’t be done by a scoring system. It’d be a political decision. After some time there would be friction and feelings then we would end up where we are now. Teams larger than a single TF that use the rules to their advantage. This is kinda how everything always has worked in the world. Boom is a world with a human element that they have figured out how to use.

As for modifying code or hardware, hax, stealing, intentionally misleading of others... It’s universally wrong. Buying accounts used to bother me but the player still needs to execute. Sharing accounts is the worst. It happens in every game and it is well... I use a lot of bad words about it.

I’m not an Angry, I tried it, just wasn’t for me. Too much going on.


You're still just making strawman arguments. No one has called using regular game mechanics of forming TFs and sharing replays, cheating.

The practice of paying for skips, denial of attacks through medic holding, etc are clearly attempts to manipulate the game match-making. Which are clearly violations of ToS and an abuser of Fair Play. Thats not "using the rules to their advantage" as you put it, thats breaking the rules.

Arguing that all the top players do it doesn't make it acceptable.

Offline newstudent

Re: Cheating?
« Reply #51 on: Feb 11, 2019, 10:54 PM »
So is paying for skips your only problem? How do you propose one deal with or prove that? We have to be a tad honest with the fact that people willing to pay a third party are probably paying SC a heck of a lot more.

Strawman position would call for building of a wall to stop red envelopes. Unrealistic arguement to avoid the initial premises and conclusion presented. Describing the actual reality of teams larger than a single TF is pretty far from a strawman position. That is where we truly are. It’s not an opinion or feeling. We have large teams that are atop the leaderboards. Feel like I’m talking to megacrab again.

Where exactly in the tos does it say you can only attack to win? Medic attacks banned somewhere in the tos that I missed? Your definition of vp manipulation would call into consideration every player that presses attack. Or every player that beaches their hq because they hit the wall. I tried to find the bit in tos about only attacking to win.

We aren’t permitted to manipulate the physical game, not the game played. Can’t foul with the participants, structure, or the surroundings. We are permitted to play the participants, within the parameters provided. Maybe I’m turning into megacrab.

I had to check before adding this part. I don’t see in the tos a ban of professional gamers either. Gaming is business now. Sponsorship and scholarships are offered for this stuff in 2019. So how do red envelopes actually violate the tos?

I dislike the whole ordeal, I am megacrab now defending the indefensible, but it’s not against the tos.
« Last Edit: Feb 11, 2019, 11:38 PM by newstudent »

Offline Chaucer

Re: Cheating?
« Reply #52 on: Feb 12, 2019, 06:42 PM »
Let us know if you have trouble understanding any parts of this.

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  • Disrupt, interfere with or otherwise adversely affect the normal flow of the Service or otherwise act in a manner that may negatively affect other users' experience when using the Service or playing Supercell's games. This includes win trading and any other kind of manipulation of rankings, taking advantage of errors in the Service to gain an unfair edge over other players and any other act that intentionally abuses or goes against the design of the Service.
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Your strawman was bringing up forming a TF of the top players, arguing that cant be cheating because it is part of the game and then acting like you had refuted the accusations of cheating.
Here is another definition for you,
A straw man is a form of
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and an
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based on giving the impression of refuting an opponent's argument, while actually refuting an argument that was not presented by that opponent.
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Offline Orrscores

Re: Cheating?
« Reply #53 on: Feb 12, 2019, 08:51 PM »
I'm curious what your name was on the old forum new student?
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Offline newstudent

Re: Cheating?
« Reply #54 on: Feb 12, 2019, 11:05 PM »
I was newstudent in the old forum, wow, fortnite, evony, a bunch more and probably tinder. I stopped using the other forum because people still couldn’t comprehend the difference between magic accounts and spawning a base that is 10 xp levels higher. Even after Decoverly’s presentation which SC even acknowledged.

I presented not one, but two sound arguments from analogy. Break down each premise and conclusion individually. They are true and sound. What we do have though with the edited version of tos is an example of strawman. We can’t use the account to sell Avon or hold a SC tournament without an agreement. Not we can’t be compensated for playing the game. If it were SC would ban them. I’m guessing that the win trading portion is what I’m suppossed to be made aware of. The beaching of hq? Let’s call it cheating. But wouldn’t the other individual have to do it also for there to be a trade? And would every beached hq then be in violation if their opponent did the same? I don’t know how I made anything seem like I refuted the cheating when it still hasn’t been identified. What they do sucks. But, just because we don’t like something doesn’t make it a violation. Losing intentionally isn’t manipulation of the game. That’s what the medic nonsense and beaching is. If it were, SC would ban them.

I only signed up for the new forum because the posts you all make are blocked to vistors and so to read them I signed up. Thank you all for the interaction. I’ll return to lurking.

Offline Artist formerly known as Crows Nest

Re: Cheating?
« Reply #55 on: Feb 12, 2019, 11:21 PM »
Posts blocked to guests? They shouldn’t be, I just logged out and cleared my cache and I can see them. If you can provide anymore info on this it would be appreciated.

Regarding lurking feel free to participate on any thread. This one is fairly controversial with strong opinions on all sides but your input has been interesting and welcome.

It is good to talk, we all can learn from other points of view, thanks for yours 👍🙂
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Offline Chaucer

Re: Cheating?
« Reply #56 on: Feb 14, 2019, 03:55 PM »

I presented not one, but two sound arguments from analogy. Break down each premise and conclusion individually. They are true and sound. What we do have though with the edited version of tos is an example of strawman. We can’t use the account to sell Avon or hold a SC tournament without an agreement. Not we can’t be compensated for playing the game. If it were SC would ban them. I’m guessing that the win trading portion is what I’m suppossed to be made aware of. The beaching of hq? Let’s call it cheating. But wouldn’t the other individual have to do it also for there to be a trade? And would every beached hq then be in violation if their opponent did the same? I don’t know how I made anything seem like I refuted the cheating when it still hasn’t been identified. What they do sucks. But, just because we don’t like something doesn’t make it a violation. Losing intentionally isn’t manipulation of the game. That’s what the medic nonsense and beaching is. If it were, SC would ban them.

You again are only talking about normal parts of gameplay under the pretense of discussing cheating. No one (except yourself) has called HQ beaching, cheating.

Do you honestly not understand how paying a group of other players to continually drop medics on your base, with the goal of preventing actual opponents from attacking you violates TOS? Do you really not see how that "intentionally abuses or goes against the design of the Service"?

Offline Chaucer

Re: Cheating?
« Reply #57 on: Feb 14, 2019, 04:03 PM »
Perhaps I am not using the search function correctly, but I couldn't find any posts by user newstudent in the archive. Certainly not in Decoverly's dissertation on Spawn Rates. Did you post under another name at that time?

Offline Artist formerly known as Crows Nest

Re: Cheating?
« Reply #58 on: Feb 17, 2019, 11:23 AM »
Vp update
Not noted, 1376,1416,1435, 1462, 1480, 1497, 1521,1530, 1548, 1567, 1585, 1602, 1621, 1642, 1663, 1681, 1701, 1708, 1723, 1739, 1759, 1781, 1798, 1816, 1829, 1887, 1908

A huge jump in vp in the last couple of days. Many vp pushers do not kill the Hammerman bases and resource bases to give them a timely boost on vp. I suspect this may explain the jump from 1829 to 1887. Other things to consider is I may have looked at his vp on its lowest point on one day and got its highest point the next but this jump is too big for that I think.

So in a month (28 days) this player has went from 1376 (more as I didn’t catch first vp) to 1908. At least 532 vp gained. An average of at least 19vp every day.
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Offline CaptNasty

Re: Cheating?
« Reply #59 on: Feb 17, 2019, 01:28 PM »
Had put my primary account on ice for the past year in order to play out my secondary account.  I just started using my primary again in late January (right before the January megacrab).  I started at 445 vp.  Now about a month later, I am at 920 vp.  That is an increase of about 475 vp in a month.  I am not cheating.  I am still holding my resource bases in reserve.
« Last Edit: Feb 17, 2019, 01:30 PM by CaptNasty »