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If you came across a player that you were 99.9% sure was cheating what would you do?

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Offline Artist formerly known as Crows Nest

Re: Cheating?
« Reply #75 on: Mar 05, 2019, 07:47 PM »
No 🙂


I gotta say that RickC has said that he and the team investigated potential cheating from multiple sources and found no evidence of cheating.

Now I know that on the occasion I met this player I was unable to attack him for a total of 27 hours before I rolled another opponent. This was at a vp level where he should only be getting approximately 14 attacks per day and has a 4 hour safe window. Multiple other players have reported great difficulty in getting the opportunity to attack him.
The stats I post about his vp are daily vp, on average a fairly consistent daily gain of 19 or 20 vp per day. Yes there are outliers but I have never seen someone gain that much vp every day at every vp level for so long.

Yet supercell says everything is above board and completely normal. So I guess he isn’t cheating. I guess we have something to learn from this.

As I said earlier whether he is cheating or not, this is interesting to me. I have had the opportunity to follow a player from 1300ish to soon to be number one.

Roll on Warships 🙂
« Last Edit: Mar 05, 2019, 08:06 PM by Artist formerly known as Crows Nest »
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Offline Chaucer

Re: Cheating?
« Reply #76 on: Mar 05, 2019, 09:10 PM »
The thing is, we dont know what SC considers "cheating".


Is abusing the attack system with medic attacks, or endless Friendly Challenges "cheating"? Or using the normal game mechanics in an unusual way?

I know I would call it cheating. SC could easily change the the way bases are  reserved during attacks to eliminate that type of manipulation but they dont, so not much we can do.

Offline Artist formerly known as Crows Nest

Re: Cheating?
« Reply #77 on: Mar 05, 2019, 09:19 PM »
The tos can pretty much make anything a reason the take disciplinary action against a player. Beaching an hq could be considered vp manipulation, accidentally being offensive in a language you don’t even speak, having relatively adult names or descriptions in a game aimed at adults, anything that they deem not to be in the spirit of the tos or game.

So as I said we have something to learn here. I don’t mind rules that are enforced evenly, if medic attacks or using a mechanical aid to constantly be online is acceptable then fine at least we know. But if these things are not fair then supercell needs to clamp down on it, not turn a blind eye...


I see no ships...


Don’t spout stuff about fair play if you don’t mean it, it just makes you look weak, foolish and annoys your customers who play fair while seeing those around them play unfairly with impunity supercell.


Edit does the pattern of vp gain I posted seem normal? Not theoretically possible if the planets are in alignment and pigs have evolved to fly in some alternate reality but to gain this amount of vp every day consistently when it appears no one else can do the same. I know I could have beaten his base when I met him, I am not a great player but all these global players who are great can’t do it. Why doesn’t everyone not just copy his base and statues if it is giving such an advantage? Has he got a new sort of magic account that through no fault of his own allows him to have 20 more player bases spawn every day or have 20 fewer raids per day than everyone else?
« Last Edit: Mar 05, 2019, 09:56 PM by Artist formerly known as Crows Nest »
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Re: Cheating?
« Reply #78 on: Mar 07, 2019, 10:24 PM »
It has taken me over a week to go from 1190 to 1205 VP - it is just not possible even being an ice queen (I still beat them) to go up 20-30 VP a day - the number of invasions does not equate to the raids where you can easily make that much VP
I'm clearing my map all day long the past week but the raids almost outweigh the VP gains on PvP
He is most definitely being "protected"
Now at 1205 VP - I guarantee by the time I log back on tomorrow I'll be back down to 1190 if not lower
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Offline CaptNasty

Re: Cheating?
« Reply #79 on: Mar 08, 2019, 02:52 AM »
That is weird.  I am right behind you at 1141 vp.  My account increased by 13 vp just today.

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Re: Cheating?
« Reply #80 on: Mar 08, 2019, 03:09 AM »
Come back tomorrow with your current VP, looking at your vp after a raiding session is so much different.
Record your vp gains daily over a week and report back
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Re: Cheating?
« Reply #81 on: Mar 08, 2019, 05:23 AM »
went from 1203 this morning to 1221 as soon as I get this last base to be offline.
It is not that large every day, but I have gone up about 100 vp in 14 days
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Offline Artist formerly known as Crows Nest

Re: Cheating?
« Reply #82 on: Mar 08, 2019, 08:54 AM »
Yes that is in a normal range minionsweb 7vp per day.
Capt Nasty 13vp In one day is good going but can you achieve that every day for a month? That would equate to you going from your current 1141 to 1544vp.
Everyone can have good days but everyone has bad days and over time you settle out. If someone is having constant good days then something is going on. Fair or not it is unusual and warrants further scrutiny, much like the magic accounts.

No one wants the magic account situation to appear again. If someone is getting an unfair advantage over other players then it needs to be addressed. No one had proof of magic accounts, only theories and suspicions. Supercell took an age to acknowledge a clear problem they were completely resistant to addressing it. This is a worse and much more long standing issue. Magic accounts was an accidental advantage, no fault of the players and who can blame them for going on the ride. However this is deliberate unfair practices on a huge scale, practices that have been going on for a long time.
On the plus side there are conversations going on between supercell and knowledgeable players about this issue which is progress.

Anyway it would be great if people could record their vp data. It doesn’t have to be daily, it could just be every week or change of tribes like I do on the stairway to heaven thread. There is a lack of available/accessible vp data to establish(well give us a better idea) what is normal. 20vp per day, every day is not normal.
« Last Edit: Mar 08, 2019, 09:16 AM by Artist formerly known as Crows Nest »
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Offline CaptNasty

Re: Cheating?
« Reply #83 on: Mar 08, 2019, 01:27 PM »
Crow, 10-14 VP per day is not unusual for me.  I do not go backwards and I do not stall out.  The low end for me seems to be around 7 or 8 in a day if there is a lot of raids.  High end is around 18-19 vp in a 24 hour period.

Fritzelly, the 13 vp gain reflects the difference between my VP after my Wednesday night map clear and last nights map clear, so it was a parity comparison.


Offline Artist formerly known as Crows Nest

Re: Cheating?
« Reply #84 on: Mar 08, 2019, 02:03 PM »
Cool capt. What that demonstrates is that you are getting 10 to 14 more successful pvp raids than you are losing to raids on your base which is doable at your vp and even my vp with ice (1300). There is however a limit to how many pvp spawns you can get in a day. Your radar chances of spawn every 19 minutes. So if you are clearing every 19 minutes then that is your max from your offense. Obviously the RNG nature of spawning provides big variations and between pvp and npc. Also as you know the higher you go the better the players and bases you are up against. Also the higher you go in vp the more times you are spawned on other people’s maps therefore the more chances you lose vp.

As we know there is no base that cannot be defeated by the top players. At 1500+vp you are definitely in the territory of the top players.
So how do certain people gain 20vp per day, every day if their offense opportunities are the same as everyone else? They defend. But no base is completely defendable so they must be getting beat the same as all the other top players. But there is the inconsistency, either their base is not getting beaten or they are spawning significantly (20) more opponents than most people. It could be a combo effect but then it is twice as weird not less weird.

I had direct experience of not being able to attack this player for 27 hours, others have reported similar situations...often. Therefore it is very likely the increase in vp is as a result of other players not getting the opportunity to attack his base with a view to killing his base. That is not in the spirit of the game and should be acted upon by supercell.


Edit again I encourage people to regularly record their vp and post it so we can better understand the game. The more detail the better but whatever you are comfortable with is fine.
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Offline Chaucer

Re: Cheating?
« Reply #85 on: Mar 08, 2019, 03:20 PM »
Posting my VP wouldn't show much as I am not pushing.   
Seems there are only a hand full of active user here anymore, so it doesn't seem like a great place to gather data.

That being said, I for one wholeheartedly agree that something fishing seems to be going on at the top. Ricky said they checked it out and everything was on the up and up.

Which seems to leave 2 possibilities; SC is incompetent to properly investigate their own game, or they feel that manipulating game mechanics with a large team is acceptable.

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Re: Cheating?
« Reply #86 on: Mar 09, 2019, 12:29 AM »
Managed to gain 1 VP to 1206 today - 13 raids (4 people decided no), what can you do???


Had 3 or 4 really tough boosted ice bases so had to wait for a boost which probably affected what could have been a VP gain but that would have been the difference of probably just 3 or 4 extra VP
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Offline CaptNasty

Re: Cheating?
« Reply #87 on: Mar 09, 2019, 12:34 AM »
VP with clear map last night: 1,141.  VP tonight with clear map 1,154 vp.  13 vp gain in the past 24 hours.

Offline Yallik

Re: Cheating?
« Reply #88 on: Mar 09, 2019, 01:24 AM »
In the 1200s, I gained 1 or 2 two VP/day usually.

There was one Tribe cycle that for some reason benefited me strangely. It was a bad cycle for everybody else, so I can't explain it, but during that cycle I was gaining ~5 VP/day.

10+ at that VP you're talking about? Freakish.

Enough to make you wonder.

Offline CaptNasty

Re: Cheating?
« Reply #89 on: Mar 09, 2019, 01:55 AM »
I think it is how I am playing to benefit my spawn %