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If you came across a player that you were 99.9% sure was cheating what would you do?

Report them to Supercell
19 (67.9%)
Nothing
7 (25%)
Other
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Offline CaptNasty

Re: Cheating?
« Reply #30 on: Feb 04, 2019, 06:58 PM »
Here is the thing.  You are “Hang ‘em high Harry” on this thread.  On the “Mordy reaches global #1” thread, you want to give Mordy the benefit of the doubt.  So on one thread a lack of proof is ok, we can brand the guy a cheater and report him.  But on another thread, one where you seem to like/respect the cheater in question you have rationalized that the cheating is ok on the ground that there is “no proof that Mordy got any benefit from joining the Chinese team”.


So which is it?  Do we require proof or is proof irrelevant?  You are not going to be able to have your cake and eat it too on this one.


The only real difference between the two is that one guy, you at some level “know”.  While the other is an anonymous stranger to you.  Therein lies my statement regarding moral relativism.  You are applying situational ethics/morals to the same conduct: cheating, based on your own personal feelings/perceptions toward the player in question.


This is a classic behavior observed in sports fans too.  The other team commits a foul on a fans team and does not get called.  The fans are furious at the injustice.  However if the fans team were to commit the same foul and get called, they fans would see it as a “bad call”.


We can tend to be more forgiving of those we know or like versus a complete outsider.  Such behavior, while natural and even understandable is not productive and can even prove destructive if allowed to run unchecked.
« Last Edit: Feb 04, 2019, 07:26 PM by CaptNasty »

Offline Artist formerly known as Crows Nest

Re: Cheating?
« Reply #31 on: Feb 04, 2019, 08:01 PM »
When I buy cake I always eat it 😜
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As I previously said I can’t prove anything. I had reasonable doubt and contacted the “authorities” to investigate. They can investigate and determine any wrong doing. Did they? Does the “cheating?” thread details seem okay to you? I posted originally it not to “out” the guy (and still haven’t and won’t) but to ask the question if you are 99% sure someone is cheating then what do you do. You said nothing, others agreed with you and others disagreed with you.
Someone asked for specifics which I provided then I realised how interesting the details were. If he is cheating then how far will he get, if he is not cheating then isn’t it interesting that he can increase his vp by 20 per day by putting down 7 boosted ice? Then I thought how interesting the supercell response was to my message to them. So many flaws in their responses, certainly worth talking about.

Now Master Mordy is being “doubted” through association with a Chinese team. I have seen nothing that casts doubt on his achievement other than by association. I don’t know Mordy but I admire the hits that he has shared on YouTube, I wish I had a tenth of his skill at this game. There is also a weeks difference in posting, cheating thread first then a week later Mordy thread. There was no initial correlation but there is now a cross over. I also spelled out what I consider cheating in that thread. If Mordy did any of the things I consider cheating then I would also consider him to have cheated. If this other player in the cheating thread did any of the things I listed then I would consider him to be a cheat.

The differences we are having is what we consider cheating and what action we take as a result. You said no action, I said I would report him and did.

I don’t see any inconsistency in my statements or actions but often we don’t see the wood for the trees and I do appreciate the responses.
« Last Edit: Feb 04, 2019, 08:10 PM by Artist formerly known as Crows Nest »
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Offline Chaucer

Re: Cheating?
« Reply #32 on: Feb 04, 2019, 09:00 PM »
3rd guess, is there a tilde in the name? ~

Offline Artist formerly known as Crows Nest

Re: Cheating?
« Reply #33 on: Feb 04, 2019, 09:10 PM »
Nope 🙂
I would love to know all these players that you are suspicious of, maybe pm me? 🤪
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Offline Chaucer

Re: Cheating?
« Reply #34 on: Feb 04, 2019, 09:13 PM »
I'm just trying to match up the global leaderboard with the details you've given!

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Re: Cheating?
« Reply #35 on: Feb 04, 2019, 09:15 PM »
bought account
end of story
have ethics at all levels
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Offline Artist formerly known as Crows Nest

Re: Cheating?
« Reply #36 on: Feb 11, 2019, 10:21 AM »
From discord today (not me 🙂)

if you track log of Global #2 yesterday, you will find evidence of cheating and collusion

If they tracked the log of any of the top guys, the leaderboard would look a lot different 😂

Breaking news: Cheating and collusion in the high end VP community!
In other news: Water is wet and the sky is blue.

Yesterday was specific because medic shielding was done for more than 8-12 hours just so that he could get the new tag bu exchanging position with top 1

I agree just today I spent over 4 hours trying to attack Global #12 tag# 8QRCQVVG <@276862463960547328> we really need something to be done about this type of cheating. How about allow people to attack even if people are online without kicking them out of the game, just lock the resources they have at time of raid and subtract accordingly after the attacker wins. Do allow more than 1 person to attack someone at the same time because this way they won't get their friends to keep attacking them but not dropping troops and thereby locking up the chance for someone else to attack. You can of course still have the 4 hours online time just make sure that once it's up that's it no matter what.
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Offline Artist formerly known as Crows Nest

Re: Cheating?
« Reply #37 on: Feb 11, 2019, 10:49 AM »
Vp update
Not noted, 1376,1416,1435, 1462, 1480, 1497, 1521,1530, 1548, 1567, 1585, 1602, 1621, 1642, 1663, 1681, 1701, 1708, 1723, 1739, 1759

Odd one between 1701 and 1708 but otherwise consistent.
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Offline CaptNasty

Re: Cheating?
« Reply #38 on: Feb 11, 2019, 12:58 PM »
In what is a timely and topical moment, we have a link in the boom box talking about fairplay.  In that blog post there is a link to this:

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Highlights:
Buying and selling accounts: forbidden
Match fixing: cheating
Encouraging others to cheat: cheating
Manipulating the game: cheating

All of the above activites and more can bring the ban hammer down.

When it comes to things like cheating we do not set the standards.  The fair play policy and ToS set these standards.

That last Discord post about the #1 sure sounds like some game manipulation.  Looks like Mordy’s chinese team is moving him out of #1 and someone else into #1.  This makes the assertion that Mordy joined a Chinese team but did not participate in any questionable activities even less... believable.  It could be seen as verification that Mordy was recieving the benefit of shielding by the team, but that benefit has ended.


For that matter the assertion that Mordy joined a Chinese team but did not engage in any questionable activities is laughable.  If Mordy joined a team, kept doing what he was already doing, then reached #1; he could have accomplished the feat without having to joining a team.  There would be no need for a team.  Rather, I would say that he joined a Chinese team because what he was doing was not working, he was stalled out and he needed to change things up.  It is well documented how the Chinese teams change things up to get their members to #1.

Too bad nobody tracked Mordy’s VP progression once he was ascendent.  But he is liked by some on this forum, so he was cheered and lauded rather than scrutinized.
« Last Edit: Feb 11, 2019, 01:22 PM by CaptNasty »

Offline Artist formerly known as Crows Nest

Re: Cheating?
« Reply #39 on: Feb 11, 2019, 05:03 PM »
Too bad nobody tracked Mordy’s VP progression once he was ascendent.  But he is liked by some on this forum, so he was cheered and lauded rather than scrutinized.

Exactly CaptNasty I wish we could look at the leaderboard and cheer and give plaudits to the people there. If only there was more than empty words from supercell in a boom box.
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If only they monitored the say top 10 and employed people that was actually interested in fair play. Instead anyone on the leaderboard is tarred a cheater because no one trusts supercell to enforce their own rules.
They don’t have the interest or will to do anything useful about it. Luckily it affects a tiny percentage of their player base and they profit from it.

Let’s see who they ban based on your reports, you did report all this cheating? Let us know what response you got please.

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Offline newstudent

Re: Cheating?
« Reply #40 on: Feb 11, 2019, 07:03 PM »
I am not sure what is going on in this thread. Philosophy 101 and sports fandom? VP leaderboard is a race. A certain team is leading the race right now and all of the drivers want to lead a lap. So, they work it out that they all do. SC created teams. 5 man on up to 50. SC made it so that you don’t spawn TF members. If the global LB decided to all join one TF the rest of us would have a pretty hard time just cracking into it. Is that cheating? The shenanigans and tomfoolery at the top is an annoyance, however it is avoidable by joining the winning side. These folks are applying the most efficient use of their resources. Win for capitalism! Everyone doesn’t get a diamond trophy. Oh wait, except for attacking the mega crab. Coordination is not the same as altering software or hardware. Or in the case of magic accounts taking a walk with one ball while the rest of us need four. Magic accounts weren’t cheating, they were playing a different game on the same scoreboard.

This was Mordy’s third trip, that I know of, up to the top 5. The first was during the hero update. Could you imagine how frustrating that must have been? This is what leads most of us to be fairly certain of his accomplishment. The account he did it with was in Volcano collecting powder for eons. Started climbing from the high 900’s VP and 7 PSC to ice last July. Everyone in the PVP world pays a bit of attention to what Mordy is up to and at one time or another have watched his defenses and attacks from within the same TF.

I will also reserve the right to cry and complain when I’m trying to crack the global top 10.

Offline Chaucer

Re: Cheating?
« Reply #41 on: Feb 11, 2019, 07:14 PM »
SC made it so that you don’t spawn TF members. If the global LB decided to all join one TF the rest of us would have a pretty hard time just cracking into it. Is that cheating? The shenanigans and tomfoolery at the top is an annoyance, however it is avoidable by joining the winning side.

I'm going to call Strawman on your argument. Are you asserting that is what happened? Are the top 50 players in the same TF? I have seen no one in this thread or elsewhere make the accusation that joining a task force is cheating.

Would being safe from the 50 players in your TF really make that much of a difference though? It is my understanding that the top pool is much larger than 50 player.
I'm sure Pete Rose would have loved to use your "shenanigans and tomfoolery" defense!

Since you seem to be a part of that world, can you ask Mordy what the going rate is for the 7day #1 badge, and why he didn't spring for the 14day badge like the player currently just above him?
« Last Edit: Feb 11, 2019, 07:21 PM by Chaucer »

Offline Artist formerly known as Crows Nest

Re: Cheating?
« Reply #42 on: Feb 11, 2019, 07:56 PM »
Nah he isn’t saying that is what happened, just that could happen but as you know the reality is much bigger.
These teams are hundreds, even over a thousand strong and it doesn’t have to take medic attacks to get an advantage.

I have attacked a few people I know with warriors and let them die so they get intel and diamonds. Others have attacked me doing the same thing, I don’t ask if they want it, they don’t ask me, it is just a friendly respect thing. But if this is done on a bigger scale then it has a significant effect.

Is the same act a bannable offense on a small scale as a big scale, it is vp manipulation (intended or otherwise) after all?

Apply the rules evenly and effectively, don’t pick on the low hanging fruit and make examples. Just monitor the global leaderboard in some effective fair way and listen to the players. I am sure we can all agree on that 🙂
« Last Edit: Feb 11, 2019, 08:10 PM by Artist formerly known as Crows Nest »
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Offline newstudent

Re: Cheating?
« Reply #43 on: Feb 11, 2019, 08:14 PM »
I'm going to call Strawman on your argument. Are you asserting that is what happened? Are the top 50 players in the same TF? I have seen no one in this thread or elsewhere make the accusation that joining a task force is cheating.

Swap the word team for TF. I was just pointing out an example of how to get around the team collusion accusation. Chinese team must be the top keyword in the thread at this point.

 
Would being safe from the 50 players in your TF really make that much of a difference though? It is my understanding that the top pool is much larger than 50 player.

Sure the pool is larger. However, if the 50 best aren’t attacking each other and share every attack and defense among themselves, it’d be pretty hard to penetrate. Attack just one and 50 alter their defense. Lose to one and 50 have the solution to your defense. Unlimited free practice attacks on each other. The advantage would be quite significant.

So when one member of the top 50 is through how would the new member be admitted? Sure wouldn’t be done by a scoring system. It’d be a political decision. After some time there would be friction and feelings then we would end up where we are now. Teams larger than a single TF that use the rules to their advantage. This is kinda how everything always has worked in the world. Boom is a world with a human element that they have figured out how to use.

As for modifying code or hardware, hax, stealing, intentionally misleading of others... It’s universally wrong. Buying accounts used to bother me but the player still needs to execute. Sharing accounts is the worst. It happens in every game and it is well... I use a lot of bad words about it.

Since you seem to be a part of that world, can you ask Mordy what the going rate is for the 7day #1 badge, and why he didn't spring for the 14day badge like the player currently just above him?

I’m not an Angry, I tried it, just wasn’t for me. Too much going on.

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Re: Cheating?
« Reply #44 on: Feb 11, 2019, 09:01 PM »
Exactly CaptNasty I wish we could look at the leaderboard and cheer and give plaudits to the people there. If only there was more than empty words from supercell in a boom box.
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If only they monitored the say top 10 and employed people that was actually interested in fair play. Instead anyone on the leaderboard is tarred a cheater because no one trusts supercell to enforce their own rules.
They don’t have the interest or will to do anything useful about it. Luckily it affects a tiny percentage of their player base and they profit from it.

Let’s see who they ban based on your reports, you did report all this cheating? Let us know what response you got please.

I set my own rules in life, supercell makes their rules, I enforce my rules...


Isn't it a ToS violation to discuss support reponses?
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